Apr 16 09:15:22 <JordiGH>	xhoch3: Can I start changing the style to GNU style?
Apr 16 09:18:00 <xhoch3>	okay, just tell what that means :P
Apr 16 09:18:15 <JordiGH>	whitespace changes only.
Apr 16 09:18:18 <JordiGH>	foo()
Apr 16 09:18:19 <JordiGH>	  {
Apr 16 09:18:22 <JordiGH>	    bar();
Apr 16 09:18:24 <JordiGH>	  }
Apr 16 09:18:33 <JordiGH>	Basically, that.
Apr 16 09:18:40 <xhoch3>	me*
Apr 16 09:19:46 <xhoch3>	actually, I used to change everything to Qt style
Apr 16 09:20:19 <JordiGH>	Yeah, but if we want this to be in GNU...
Apr 16 09:20:51 <xhoch3>	is there a style-guide documented?
Apr 16 09:21:13 <JordiGH>	http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/
Apr 16 09:21:44 <JordiGH>	http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#Formatting
Apr 16 09:23:25 <xhoch3>	uh, it's exactly what I hate most, but okay
Apr 16 09:23:29 <JordiGH>	It takes a while to get used to it, heh.
Apr 16 09:23:37 <JordiGH>	I don't mind it now.
Apr 16 09:23:49 <xhoch3>	okay
Apr 16 09:23:55 <xhoch3>	how about class names?
Apr 16 09:24:04 <xhoch3>	is it My_Class
Apr 16 09:24:09 <JordiGH>	No preference on that.
Apr 16 09:24:12 <xhoch3>	because the guide speaks of C formatting, not C++
Apr 16 09:24:15 <JordiGH>	Octave generally uses camelcaps.
Apr 16 09:24:22 <JordiGH>	CamelCaps, I mean.
Apr 16 09:24:56 <xhoch3>	well, classes are not C however
Apr 16 09:25:35 <JordiGH>	Yeah, just use CamelCaps.
Apr 16 09:26:24 <xhoch3>	mh, I really think whoever wrote this, it's really outdated
Apr 16 09:26:34 <xhoch3>	and it has been outdated years before
Apr 16 09:26:49 <JordiGH>	What, the GNU coding standards?
Apr 16 09:26:53 <JordiGH>	They're from 1985 or so.
Apr 16 09:27:05 <JordiGH>	But whatever, it doesn't matter what style you use as long as you use one.
Apr 16 09:27:12 <xhoch3>	if we are strict here, Quint is not written in C, so there is no restrictions opposed on this
Apr 16 09:27:17 <JordiGH>	No no no..
Apr 16 09:27:19 <JordiGH>	Look at the C++ code.
Apr 16 09:27:40 <JordiGH>	Look for example at how liboctave/Sparse.h and liboctave/Sparse.cpp are formatted.
Apr 16 09:28:14 <JordiGH>	Don't fight it, it's just a style guide. What editor do you use? Just configure it to use it. What's important is consistency.
Apr 16 09:28:17 <JordiGH>	Er, I meant, Sparse.cc
Apr 16 09:28:52 <JordiGH>	(yeah, hm, file names, don't know if that matters)
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Apr 16 09:29:51 <JordiGH>	Ugh, what was the last thing I said?
Apr 16 09:30:10 <xhoch3>	CamelCaps, I mean
Apr 16 09:30:39 <xhoch3>	well, I don't care what style however, but I'd like to have it consistent
Apr 16 09:30:43 <JordiGH>	<JordiGH> No no no..
Apr 16 09:30:43 <JordiGH>	<JordiGH> Look at the C++ code.
Apr 16 09:30:43 <JordiGH>	<JordiGH> Look for example at how liboctave/Sparse.h and liboctave/Sparse.cpp are formatted.
Apr 16 09:30:43 <JordiGH>	<JordiGH> Don't fight it, it's just a style guide. What editor do you use? Just configure it to use it. What's important is consistency.
Apr 16 09:30:43 <JordiGH>	<JordiGH> Er, I meant, Sparse.cc
Apr 16 09:30:43 <JordiGH>	<JordiGH> (yeah, hm, file names, don't know if that matters)
Apr 16 09:31:38 <xhoch3>	well, it won't be consistent
Apr 16 09:31:44 <JordiGH>	Why not?
Apr 16 09:31:45 <xhoch3>	since Qt is not formatted this way
Apr 16 09:31:53 <xhoch3>	it will be a heavy mix of both
Apr 16 09:31:57 <JordiGH>	Is Qt C++?
Apr 16 09:32:00 <xhoch3>	yes
Apr 16 09:32:07 <JordiGH>	Then why not format it like C++?
Apr 16 09:32:28 <xhoch3>	Qt is formatted like C++
Apr 16 09:32:38 <JordiGH>	Good, then format it like our C++.
Apr 16 09:33:07 <xhoch3>	like it should be
Apr 16 09:33:09 <xhoch3>	well, anyways, we can't change that
Apr 16 09:33:16 <JordiGH>	We can't change what? The formatting?
Apr 16 09:33:19 <xhoch3>	I mean the Qt classes
Apr 16 09:33:21 <JordiGH>	I'll do it.
Apr 16 09:33:22 <xhoch3>	QString
Apr 16 09:33:29 <JordiGH>	What's wrong with that?
Apr 16 09:33:31 <xhoch3>	QFileDialog
Apr 16 09:33:40 <JordiGH>	I don't think you're listening... :-(
Apr 16 09:33:42 <JordiGH>	CamelCaps are fine.
Apr 16 09:33:45 <xhoch3>	it's not Q_File_Dialog
Apr 16 09:33:47 <JordiGH>	Look at liboctave/Sparse.h
Apr 16 09:34:16 <JordiGH>	I'm just talking about the whitespace things.
Apr 16 09:34:16 <xhoch3>	okay, wait a second
Apr 16 09:37:09 <xhoch3>	  class SparseQR_rep
Apr 16 09:37:20 <xhoch3>	that's C formatting
Apr 16 09:37:25 <xhoch3>	=)
Apr 16 09:37:32 <JordiGH>	There isn't anything C or C++ about camelcaps vs underscores.
Apr 16 09:37:47 <JordiGH>	SparseQRRep looks kinda ugly, if you ask me.
Apr 16 09:37:56 <juliohm>	,tr en pt-br larts
Apr 16 09:37:58 <fsbot>	I think tr is use ,t8 <from code> <to code> <phrase>
Apr 16 09:38:12 <juliohm>	,tr en pt larts
Apr 16 09:38:17 <fsbot>	tr is use ,t8 <from code> <to code> <phrase>
Apr 16 09:38:25 <xhoch3>	are you reformatting it automatically?
Apr 16 09:38:47 <xhoch3>	do you have a tool?
Apr 16 09:39:26 <JordiGH>	Yes, Emacs.
Apr 16 09:39:38 <JordiGH>	I'm just gonna do whitespace changes.
Apr 16 09:39:57 <JordiGH>	Also, the C++ stdlib prefers underscores, for the record.
Apr 16 09:40:02 <JordiGH>	But of course, Qt hates the stdlib.
Apr 16 09:40:13 <xhoch3>	no, it loves Java-Style
Apr 16 09:40:28 <JordiGH>	To be fair, the stdlib really sucked when Qt started, which is why Qt reimplemented large chunks of it.
Apr 16 09:41:41 <xhoch3>	I hope the GNU guys will update their guidelines one day
Apr 16 09:42:02 <xhoch3>	until then I'd say we have no choice ;)
Apr 16 09:42:10 <JordiGH>	There isn't anything to update. It's just a style. You want Picasso to update his paintings?
Apr 16 09:42:34 <xhoch3>	well, I am not Picasso
Apr 16 09:42:56 <xhoch3>	but if I were doing my own paintings, they'd be different for sure ;)
Apr 16 09:43:09 <xhoch3>	okay, go for it
Apr 16 09:43:56 <xhoch3>	I will pull your changes then
Apr 16 09:45:24 <xhoch3>	in the meantime I'll see whether I can change the standard code formatting of QtCreator